Showing posts with label dissociation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label dissociation. Show all posts

Friday, December 15, 2023

AI and chemistry

 How good are AI generated responses to typical chemistry questions?

No better than the source material used for the answer ... which can include common misconceptions.

One such question is "What is the pH of water?". To a chemist this is a nonsense question (comparable to asking what colour an apple is or what shape a building is) yet it is often asked in school science classrooms around the world. 

I asked ChatGPT "What is the pH of water?" This was the answer ...

The pH of pure water at 25 degrees Celsius (77 degrees Fahrenheit) is considered neutral and is defined as 7. A pH value below 7 indicates acidity, while a pH value above 7 indicates alkalinity. It's important to note that the pH of water can be influenced by dissolved substances, and natural water sources may have varying pH levels due to the presence of minerals and other compounds.

I asked perplexity.ai "What is the pH of water?" This was the answer ...

The pH of water is 7, which is considered neutral. A pH of 7 is neither acidic nor basic. It is important to note that the pH of pure water can change due to the presence of impurities or the absorption of carbon dioxide from the air, which can make it slightly acidic. However, under normal conditions, the pH of pure water is 7, indicating neutrality
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Surprise, surprise, both answers are inaccurate and riddled with common misconceptions (although, to its credit, perplexity.ai does provide sources, but to its discredit it does not refer to a specific temperature which is critical!). ChatGPT emphasizes "pure water", while perplexity.ai is content with just "water". To a chemist, both terms are the same, "water" is a pure substance. If water has substances dissolved in it it is no longer "water" it is an "aqueous solution". Perplexity.ai's referral to "normal conditions" is baffling, perhaps it refers to standard conditions for aqueous solutions? After these issues, both AIs seem to perpetuate the misconception that acidity, basicity (alkalinity) and neutrality are defined by a pH value. This is not true. They are two entirely different concepts (although both are based on an Arrhenius description of aqueous solutions). pH is a measure of aqueous hydrogen ion concentration, independent of whether the aqueous solution has been designated acidic, basic or neutral. Acidic, basic, neutral are terms to describe a the relative amounts of hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions in an aqueous solution.

So, let's start by talking about the neutrality of "pure water". Pure water is always neutral (regardless of its pH). This is because the concentration of acidic protons in the water, H+(aq) or H3O+(aq), is always equal to the concentration of basic hydroxide ions in the water, OH-(aq), that is [H+(aq)] = [OH-(aq)]

An acidic aqueous solution is one in which the concentration of acidic protons is greater than the concentration of basic hydroxide ions, that is, [H+(aq)] > [OH-(aq)]

A basic aqueous solution is one in which the concentration of acidic protons is less than the concentration of basic hydroxide ions, that is, [H+(aq)] < [OH-(aq)] 

So "pure water" is always neutral, but what is its pH? pH is a measure of the concentration of aqueous hydrogen ions in solution, the greater the concentration of hydrogen ions in aqueous solution, the lower the pH. The concentration of these hydrogen ions is very much dependent on the water temperature. The pH of pure water at 10oC is approximately 7.27 but the water is still described as neutral because [H+(aq)] = [OH-(aq)]. The pH of pure water at 50oC is about 6.63 but the water is still neutral because [H+(aq)] = [OH-(aq)].

 The pH of water at 25oC is approximately 7 and is based, NOT on it being defined this way, but on a calculation of the hydrogen ion concentration of water at this temperature.

So, what happens to pH if other substances are dissolved in water to form aqueous solutions at 25oC? Using an Arrhenius definition of acids and bases (and a pH of 7 which has 1 significant figure but even that digit is uncertain), if an aqueous solution has pH < 7  at 25oC it could be described as acidic, but if the temperature is greater than 25oC the solution may be neutral, it may even be basic, we simply do not have enough information to decide. Similarly, If an aqueous solution has pH > 7  at 25oC it could be described as basic, but if the temperature is less than 25oC it is not a justifiable conclusion.

It is important to note that if there are dissolved "substances", including "impurities", "minerals" or "carbon dioxide", then the "water" is not "pure water", it is an aqueous solution, and the AI discussions are not relevant. Furthermore, some solutes dissolve in water at 25oC and increase its pH  (aqueous solution of sodium hydroxide), some decrease its pH  (aqueous solution of hydrogen chloride), and some may have no effect at all on its pH (aqueous solution of sodium chloride).

There is no simple, correct answer for the question "What is the pH of water?". The question does not contain enough information in order for it to be answered. IF the AIs simply stated that the pH of water at 25oC is approximately 7, that would be a pretty good response, however, by providing additional information in the answer they are repeating, and encouraging, common misconceptions about the nature of "pure water", "pH", "acidity", "basicity" (or "alkalinity") and "neutrality". 

For a discussion on why pure water is always neutral and why its pH varies, see https://www.ausetute.com.au/kw.html

For a discussion on what determines whether an aqueous solution is acidic, basic or neutral, see https://www.ausetute.com.au/abneutral.html

Friday, December 27, 2019

Hydrolysis of Acids and Bases

If you want to find the value of the acid dissociation constant for a weak acid you look up tables of values. For example, the value of Ka for acetic acid (ethanoic acid) is always tabulated.
But what if you want the value of a base dissociation constant?  What if you want the value of Kb for the acetate ion (ethanoate ion)? You won't find this value in a table, you'll have to know how to calculate it!

AUS-e-TUTE has just added new resources to help you understand and apply the concept of acid and base hydrolysis including calculations. AUS-e-TUTE Members should log-in to access the new tutorial, game, test, exam (with worked solutions), and teacher members can access the worksheet wizard to make printable worksheets and quizzes (with answers).

If you are not an AUS-e-TUTE Member, the "free-to-view" tutorial is currently available at

https://www.ausetute.com.au/kakbkw.html

Sunday, December 16, 2018

pH of Weak Acid After Dilution

What happens to the pH of a solution of weak acid, such as acetic acid, if you dilute it by adding water to it?
How much water would you have to add to 100 mL of 0.20 mol L-1 acetic acid in order to make a solution with a pH of 3.0 ?
What is the pH of 1 × 10-11 mol L-1 acetic acid?
AUS-e-TUTE can help you answer these questions with our new resources.
AUS-TUTE Members should log-in to access the new "pH of Weak Acid After Dilution" tutorial, game and test (with worked solutions).
A "free-to-view" tutorial is currently available for non-members at:
https://www.ausetute.com.au/phdilwa.html

Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Neutral pH?

We hear this term a lot, often in advertising. But what does it mean?

From a Chemist's point of view, there are two different concepts involved in this seemingly harmless "neutral pH" expression. These two different concepts are:
  • neutral
  • pH
Let's take a look at the Chemist's definition of neutral first.
A solution is neutral if the concentration of hydrogen ions, [H+], is equal to the concentration of hydroxide ions, [OH-].
Chemists often use square brackets to denote concentration, the concentration of  hydrogen ions can be written as [H+] and the concentration of hydroxide ions can be written as [OH-].
So, for a neutral solution:
[H+] = [OH-] = neutral solution 
Pure water is an excellent example of a neutral substance.
Some of the water molecules, actually very few of them, dissociate to form hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions:
H2O H+ + OH-
Every time a water molecule dissociates, it produces one hydrogen ion, H+, and one hydroxide ion, OH-, so that the concentration of hydrogen ions is always the same as the concentration of hydroxide ions.
Therefore, pure water is always neutral!

The pH of a solution is a measure of the hydrogen ion concentration in the solution. pH can be defined as:
pH = -log10[H+]
This equation can be used to calculate the pH of our neutral water, but only if we know the concentration of  hydrogen ions in the water.
The concentration of hydrogen ions in water is not constant!
The concentration of hydrogen ions in water depends on the temperature of the water!
The dissociation of water molecules requires energy:
H2O + energy H+ + OH-
If you put more energy into the system by heating it, then more water molecules dissociate, the concentration of hydrogen ions increases and the concentration of hydroxide ions also increases.
If you take energy away from the system by cooling it, then fewer water molecules dissociate, the concentration of hydrogen ions decreases and the concentration of hydroxide ions also decreases.
If we were to measure the concentration of hydrogen ions in pure water at various temperatures, we would find the following values:
Water temperature         [H+] x 10−7 M     pH
0°C 0.32     7.50
10°C 0.55     7.26
18°C 0.84     7.08
25°C 1.10     6.96
30°C 1.34     6.87
50°C 2.82     6.55
60°C 3.55     6.46
70°C 4.60     6.34
80°C 5.92     6.23
90°C 7.28     6.14
100°C 8.54     6.07

So what is the pH of water?
The pH of water is dependent on the temperature of the water.
Water is neutral for every value of pH because the concentration of hydrogen ions is always equal to the concentration of the hydroxide ions.
We can ONLY talk about the pH of water IF we state the temperature of the water.
For example, we can talk about water having a pH of approximately 7 at 25oC, or we could say that the pH of water is approximately 6 at 100oC.
Pure water is always neutral.
Pure water is neutral at 25oC.
Pure water is neutral at 100oC.

As Chemistry students, what we can't say is that water has a pH of 7, or that a neutral aqueous solution has a particular pH, unless we state the temperature of the system.

Further Reading:
Definitions of Acids and Bases
pH
Dissociation Constant for Water

Suggested Study Questions:
  1. Plot a graph of temperature versus concentration of hydrogen ions in water. Describe the shape of the line, and write a generalization that links hydrogen ion concentration and temperature.
  2. Plot a graph of temperature versus pH of water. Describe the shape of the line and write a generalization linking the  temperature of water and its pH.
  3. Use your graph to find the pH of water at:
    • 12oC
    • 22oC
    • 32oC
  4. Construct a table giving the concentration of hydroxide ions in water at each of the temperatures shown above.
  5. Plot a graph of temperature versus concentration of hydroxide ions in water. Describe the shape of the line, and write a generalization linking hydroxide ion concentration in water and temperature.
  6. Use your graph to find the concentration of hydroxide ions in water at:
    • 12oC
    • 22oC
    • 32oC
  7. Explain why water is neutral at all temperatures.
  8. Explain why the pH of water varies with temperature.